Diskussion:Adolf Hitler
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Artiklen Adolf Hitler var tidligere kandidat til gode artikler, men blev afvist ved afstemningen. Hvis du kan forbedre artiklen til GA-niveau så gør det gerne, og nominer den eventuelt på ny. |
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Artiklen Adolf Hitler har været vist på Wikipedias forside som ugens artikel i uge 48, 2008. |
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En række fejl er rettet i artiklen om Hitler, efter at redigeringsbeskyttelsen er ophævet.
Det er uheldigt at (mis)bruge historikerens trøst: ordet "angiveligt". Ordet er et pendulord og kan både betyde, at en påstand er korrekt eller løgnagtig.
Forfatterens yndlingsord "bare" er søgt varieret.
Ordet "såkaldt" dækker vist desværre over, at et ganske almindeligt brugt ord er totalt ukendt af forfatteren.
"...." Gåseøjnene er også oftest overflødige.
Bibelforskerne (Jehovas Vidner) er indført i et enkelt tilfælde.
Artiklen skæmmes stadig af, at den mangler præcision og rummer mange gentagelser.
Held og lykke med det videre arbejde. CS
Ret sprogfejl og ubehændige formuleringer. Et eksempel: H v T var ikke forklædt som to cointreauflasker! Mhh CS (skrev 83.73.180.47 (disk. • bidrag) 23. apr 2008, 19:51. Husk at signére dine indlæg.)
- Dette er Wikipedia så du kan selv rette fejl på siderne, det er det der er hele ideen med sitet. --Broadbeer, Thomas 23. apr 2008, 20:38 (CEST)
- Denne artikel var redigeringsbeskyttet for ikke-indloggede brugere indtil i går, så CS kunne ikke selv ændre (se nederst). - Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 23. apr 2008, 20:46 (CEST)
22.05.2003: Jeg havde faktisk bevidst skrevet at AH søgte at tage magten i München, det passer med den poltisk kaotiske situation i Tyskland på det tidspunkt, med den svage Weimarrepublik og del af landet mere eller mindre i hænderne på frikorpsene.
Var Hitler ikke nr 105, men krasede de to første cifre i sit medlemskort ud?
Jeg har chekket oplysningen og det ser ud til at Hitler blev medlem nr 55 men samtidig det 7. medlem af partiets eksekutivkomite.
Hvis det er sådan at Hitler alene stræbte efter magten i München, er min rettelse uberettiget.
Sebastjan
- München var på den tid hovedstad i delstaten Bayern. Hvis et kup var lykkedes dér, havde det kun fået virkning for delstatens politiske system (i hvert fald i første omgang). Hvad kupmagerne forestillede sig om langtidsvirkningerne af deres forsøg, kan man næppe rekonstruere i dag.--Sten Porse 19. okt 2008, 21:38 (CEST)
Jeg chekker ved lejlighed og retter tilbage om nødvendigt
John.
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[redigér] Hitler and Wikipedia Korrection of
If any civil users pass by here, I invite them to read the sourced material through my diskussion or google the same EffK 4. aug 2006 kl. 18:10 (CEST)
re 30 Jan 1933 see http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vita:Adolf_Hitler#c_Jan_30_1933 EffK 5. aug 2006 kl. 11:34 (CEST)
re Hitler finances 32/33 see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_rise_to_power (I did not write it). EffK 7. aug 2006 kl. 20:57 (CEST)
- This user is an incredible Troll, blocked from English and French WP (en:User:EffK), spamming on French, Italian, Dutch and other wiki's. Please ignore.
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- This user is an IP number, so ignore him. I am proud to help any language with their Hitler info. I wrote the following to help them at nl.wp, the other day. call it trolling, or vandalism or conspiracy theory, or read it and , if you want anything proved/veriied in there, I'll be happy to show the exact passages of reputable source. Of course they are many times longer. Mind yourselves, there are aggressive revisionists prowling... if you see no text re the Achievement of Power below, some real vandal has removed it. Look in the historik.
[redigér] The actual achievement of the Dictatorship of 23 March 1933
Despite evident questions concerning the perpetration of the Reichstag Fire, and resulting calls for cancellation of the Elections[ref:Shirer p244], Adolf Hitler successfully utilised the full novel force of State broad-casting and aviation in a massive modern General Election campaign. This period is characterised by stongest anti-Jewish and anti-Communist propaganda . On 6 March, 1933, after elections marred by paramilitary violence the Communists lost 4 per cent, and Social Democrats 2 per cent, thus their Deputy numbers little changed. The Nazis received an increase to 43.9% of the vote. This brought the coalition between them and the DNVP into a slim but absolute majority.
Hitler's parliamentary majority basis that existed was however to be much exacerbated through the un-constitutional preventative-detention of the Communist deputies, carried over from before these last multi-party Elections. The manner in which Hitler excluded them and their mandates from the subesquent 21 March parliament revolves on an Interior Minister settlement with the Reichstag Elders. This amounted to a change of Procedure* categorising them as voluntarily absent and achieved thereby the necessary long-term Hitler aim of legal appearance for the NSDAP policy of subverting democracy from within. [*sourced german editor Str1977/unseen by EffK). The KPD was never foramlly banned by the Hitler regime [ref Alan Bullock, Hitler and Stalin p338 [3] ]
The Hitler government, from its first March post-Election Cabinet meeting, had prioritised the passage through the Reichstag of the Enabling Act that could give Hitler's Government absolute legislative powers. From this date parallel consideration was given towards the Treaty of the Reichskonkordat [ref:letter from Papen to von Bergen, translation as quoted in Scholder p.245]. The constitutional change foreseen by the Enabling Act required a two-thirds majority in order to pass and the Nazi -rightist coalition held 43%. The opportunistic nature of the Reichstag Fire Act of 28 Febuary had eliminated Communist Depuities and a quarter of the Socialist Party and now the remaining large Centre Party Bloc was vital to the issue of 2/3 majority. Its 18% vote would bring the condonation for the constitutional change demanded by Hitler, in the total absence of the Communists, and the opposition of the Socialists. The denominational[ref:] catholic Centre Party followed its chairman, Monsignor Kaas, a close associate of the Secretary of State at the Holy See, cardinal Eugenio pacelli|Paus Pius XII]] who had supported Hitler's leadership since 1931.
The Centre Party leadership negotiated with the Hitler-led coalition government between 17-22 march obtaining sundry guarantees to civil servants belonging to the Centre Party, along with freedom and autonomy of the Catholic Church schools. These written guarantees given, Kaas and Bruning together demanded a further constitutional guarantee against Hitler pre-empting the Presidential power of veto, and thereby obtaining complete power. This guarantee was agreed by Hitler[ ref:Wheeler-bennett.,Hindeburg p446], but Bruning insisted that, with his knowledge of Hitler promises[ref:ibid p 446], Kaas should obtain this promise in writing, On the fateful morning of the vote, Kaas balanced the Centre Party alternatives as between an assent in order to preserve a fracturing of the Centre party, against such assent coming at the cost of its very soul. Kaas as chairman did not advocate, being Chairman.
In the Reichstag, at Bruning's insistence, Kaas, before the Session of the 23 March, demanded again of Hitler the "Letter of Guarantee", to which Hitler responded that indeed he had signed the required letter, and that Kaas should apply to Frick, the Interior Minister. This Kaas did, and Frick claimed to Kaas that Yes, he had Hitler's signed Letter of Constitutional Guarantee in his portfolio, but that he, Frick, had yet to counter-sign it because of the pressure of parliamentary events, but that now, immediately, he would himself sign and produce the letter, with no worry for Kaas.
There followed the opening session during which Hitler carefully adhered to his same 21 march constitutionally controlled image[ ref:John Wheeler-Bennett, Hindenburg p 446], and his speech is remembered as referring to the Holy See and future satisfactory relations with both that and the majority Christian denomination. The speech was carefully designed to foster the image of Hilter as national custodian, at the apex of the resurgent nation. However following this openeing speech, the Socialist Otto Wels gave a Socialist denunciation saying
"We german Social Democrats pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No enabling acy can give you the power to destroy ideas which are eternal and indestructible." [ref:Shirer 249] The Socialist Leader Otto Wels' speech broke the bounds of Hitler self-control. With Papen himself attempting restraint[ref:John Wheeler-Bennett.Hindenburg , 1936, p 44], Hitler rose to the attack and harangued the entire Reichstag with menace and threat against the lives of all Socialists, who should thenceforth be dealt with as severely as he had done with the absent Communists.
At this point, Kaas rose to record his Party's Bloc vote (including the BVP), having spoken earlier of his party being prepared to assent after putting aside varous considerations. At the last, again a demand had been sent for the "Letter of Guarantee", and again receiving the assurance that only now was it being typed up, and would be forthcoming. In fact the letter was never given, and the condonatory vote was given by Kaas despite the agreement between Kaas and Bruning. The question has ever since then been posed as to whether Kaas was indeed still so naive as to believe this Hitler 'promise', or whether the vote was given in terror from the surrounding menace of the S.A[Wheeler-Bennett, p 447] A third question arose , following WWII, as to whether Kaas' neutrality and Kaas' own relationship to the wishes o the Holy See affected this vote[ref: Mowrer [4]. All historians who have followed upion the researches and testimonials of the subsequent Nuremburg Trials, have included suggestion that Kaas somehow acted as double representative, both as Centre Chairman and porte-parôle for the Holy See. This suggests an actual co-ordination between the Kaas vote and the Kaas-influenced Hitler speech which pre-figured the then subsequent German Reichskonkordat with the Holy See.[ref KvKlemperer @ [5]
A letter was received later by the various Centre Party Leaders. Kaas himself had left for Rome the next day, and remained there until the 31 March, involved with affairs of two Belgian seceded Towns, Eupen and Malmedy. Kaas also continued to pave the way for the vatican's desired Reichskonkordat. This Letter received however was from President Hindenburg, assuring the Centre Leadership of a gentleman's agreement not to exceed Hindenburg's powers. Hitler himself gave no assurances.
The passage of the Act of 23 march is accompanied by the Presidential signing of the Special Courts Decree , which instituted the loss of open trials and thus laid the basis for the Gestapo. Together with the parliamentar abndonment, the loss of civil liberties from the Fire Decree was compounded by the Government's legal imposition of any legislation. Hilter had achieved complete un-checked power and everything was legal, except the arrest of the Communist and some Socialist Deputies (whose Constitutional Sovereignty had been ignored)[ ref:Shirer p249].
- EffK, vær venlig at skrive på dansk. At klistre en mængde fremmedsproget tekst ind her, forbedrer ikke vores artikel. Du er nødt til at gøre arbejdet selv; du kan ikke forvente eller forlange, at andre gør det for dig. - Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 12. aug 2006 kl. 14:11 (CEST)
[redigér] Hitlers dødsdato
ved billedteksten står der at Hilter levede fra 1889 til 1948. Det er forkert da han begik selvmord i 1945. Jeg ved dog ikke hvordan man retter det. (skrev 87.51.116.32 (disk. • bidrag) . Husk at signére dine indlæg.)
- Tak, jeg har rettet det. - Kåre Thor Olsen (Kaare) 12. nov 2006 kl. 12:51 (CET)
[redigér] Billedadvarsel
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[redigér] Noter
Jeg har givet artiklen LA, fordi den giver et bredt og alsidigt billede af både selve personen Aldolf Hitler og hans historiske rolle. Jeg synes, at den holder en fin balance, og undgår at blive for detaljeret. Men der mangler noter og kilder, og det bør der arbejdes videre med inden den går videre til AA-indstilling. Gevin 15. mar 2008, 14:37 (CET)
Artiklen om Hitler skæmmes af nogle banale stavefejl: Fx. akter for agter og lyt for lydt. Arvinger bruges helt forkert. Det er umuligt at redigere artiklen, men den bør korrigeres før den hædres.
Mhh CS
[redigér] Referencer
Alle der har bidraget til denne artikel - hver venlige at udstyre jeres dele med referencer!
Vesters 4. aug 2008, 23:13 (CEST)
[redigér] Granatsplint
Det er nu kommet frem at Hitler under 1. verdenskrig blev ramt af en granatsplint, så han mistede den ene testikel. Den læge der reddede Hitlers liv har senere fortrudt.
M.v.h. F.Rodkjær.k
- 1. Er denne oplysning relevant for artiklen? 2. Hvis ja, hvor er der en kilde? --|EPO| COM: 25. nov 2008, 17:37 (CET)
[redigér] Kilde
Det mener jeg sagtens du kan tilføje. Husk blot at angive en kilde.
--83.91.12.190 2. dec 2008, 18:25 (CET)
[redigér] Var Hitler bevidst krigslysten?
"og kastede sidst, men ikke mindst, bevidst det meste af verden ud i en altødelæggende krig, 2. verdenskrig, i forsøget på yderligere at udbrede det tyske herredømme. På grund af Hitler og hans politik døde der i Europa anslået 30-35 millioner mennesker. Tyskland og store dele af Europa blev helt eller delvist ødelagt, og det sønderskudte Europa lå herefter åbent for andre stormagterne USA og Sovjetunionens interesser, hvilket blev startskuddet til den kolde krig." Disse påstande holder ikke - Historikeren David Irving har klart dokumenteret (vel at bemærke ud fra originale kilder), at Hitler ikke havde noget ønske om krig med England. Det var Winston Churchills bevidste terrorbombninger, der førte til, at Hitler til sidst gengældte disse, hvorved krigen blev rettet i begge retninger. Ligeledes er det bevist, at STALIN havde planer om et angreb på Tyskland FØR operation "Barbarossa" blev sat igang (plan "Groza", kilde: Viktor Suvorov: Jäälŏhkuja, 2000) og at Tysklands angreb på Sovjetunionen derfor havde karakter af en handling i selvforsvar (og Tyskland blev forøvrigt mange steder hilst som befrier fra det stalinske terrorregime). Ej heller bør man glemme Japans utvivlsomme rolle i, at krigen udviklede sig til en verdenskrig. Lad det tillige være fastslået, at Stalin har ansvaret for flere mord, folkemord, totalødelæggelser af byer (ikke mindst i Østeuropa) end Hitler, og at "Den kolde krig" ikke på nogen måde skyldes Hitler, men derimod STALIN, der simpelthen fortsatte den imperialistiske politik, som han startede allerede i 1920-erne, fortsatte i 1930-erne og fuldførte i 1940-erne, først i Baltikum og Polen, derefter i hele resten af det østlige og sydøstlige Europa. Hitler var ikke nogen sympatisk person, men ovennævnte citat har desværre karakter af historieforfalskning og skæmmer den ellers velskrevne artikel.--Rmir2 27. dec 2008, 19:01 (CET)
- David Irving bør efter min mening ikke tages som en troværdig kilde. Alt ved Hitler, hans verdenssyn, hans politik, hans handlinger, tyder på, at han bevidst stræbte efter et militært sammenstød. At Stalin havde samme tanker er i den forbindelse uvedkommende. --Rasmus81 9. jan 2009, 16:00 (CET)
- Men slet bare bevidst, hvis du synes det er for POV. Så kan der måske skrives lidt om diskussionen længere nede i artiklen.--Rasmus81 9. jan 2009, 16:17 (CET)
[redigér] Skift af billede
Hej folkens. Jeg har dd. skiftet billedet i infoboksen. Grunden er æstetisk: De fleste andre billeder vi har af stats- og regeringsledere viser dem i portrætform forfra. Derfor tænkte jeg at vi burde have det samme her. Kommentarer? --Lhademmor 9. jan 2009, 07:07 (CET)
[redigér] Mini-POV
Hej. Jeg har ikke gidet læse hele artiklen igennem, men faldt lige over formuleringen "På grund af Hitler og hans politik døde der i Europa anslået 30-35 millioner mennesker" i indledningen. Det lugter altså lidt af POV. Jeg ved godt at den gængse opfattelse er at Hitler var den store ondskab, men at give ham eneansvaret for 35 millioner menneskers død vil jeg umiddelbart tro er at overdrive lidt. Hvad siger folk? --Metalindustrien A/S (tidligere Lhademmor) 2. maj 2009, 15:35 (CEST)
God pointe, især hvis man tænker på en person som Doktor Død, der slog flere ihjel end "nødvendigt". --Grey-Fox 2. maj 2009, 15:44 (CEST)
[redigér] Mistænkeligt kranium
Ifølge nye kilder, stammer Hitlers kranium muligvis fra en kvinde omkring de 40 (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,26135072-2,00.html). Den engelske Wiki har allerede valgt at indskrive dette i deres artikel, skal (bør) vi gøre det samme, eller vente på flere udmeldinger omkring sagen?
--Grey-Fox 28. sep 2009, 20:25 (CEST)
- Hvis DNA-testen er udført korrekt, er der en meget lav usikkerhed. Desuden beskrives det indicium, der startede sagen: Kraniets tykkelse. Der er intet til hinder for at beskrive den nuværende situation med, at en forsker er fremkommet med resultatet. Der kan så senere følges op på sagen, hvis andre når til samme eller modsatrettede konklusioner. --|EPO| COM: 28. sep 2009, 20:36 (CEST)
