Diskussion:Kobort Koffa
Sletningsforslag: Kobort Koffa
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En meget ihærdig, men sprogligt stærkt udfordret bruger har fået banket en tilsyneladende ok artikel op om Kobort Koffa, en ganske ung fodboldspiller med internationale rødder. Men han har tilsyneladende kun spillet på et temmeligt lavt plan, i hvert fald indtil nu, hvor han ser ud til at have fået få kampe for et dansk 2. divisionshold. Jeg mener, at det ikke kan holde notabilitet (endnu i hvert fald).
Slet - Pr. ovenstående. --Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 06:43 (CEST)
Behold - (weak but keep) not only because google searches proves that the player is hughly, that player is widely monitored, but because given the player's African roots, he is a notable by being a player abroad, even in the Danish division 2 - and the fact that he has thousands of worldwide Google searches proves something is cooking... And I also believe the article would pass by other Wikipedia's exceptions for young international and heavily monitored players.... I'm from Scotland, and there are many players with Wikipedia pages who even play in lower divisions then this danish teams but yet they have their pages up and running. I don't think we should be in a hurry to delete the page, as the player is a member of the first team at the club he plays, DBU records shows that, and the player could have something going...things seem to be in progress from where i see it
.Dksport2015 (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 13:18 (CEST)
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Behold -Dksport2015 (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 13:18 (CEST)
- Slet - Enig med Arne (Amjaabc).--Madglad (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 13:27 (CEST)
Kommentar - Jeg ved godt, at der ikke er nogle særlige retningslinjer på dette område, selv om jeg for nogle år siden søgte at diskutere nogle rammer herfor. Problemet var, at der aldrig rigtig blev opnået enighed om noget dengang. Jeg forsøger dog stadig at holde fast i, at fx en spiller skal have vist et fornuftigt, stabilt niveau på et eller andet tidspunkt i en rimeligt solid klub for at kunne få sin egen artikel. I dette tilfælde omtales følgende klubber: 1) Richmond United, Liberia (spilleren var 10 år), 2) Malone Universitys fodboldhold (nævnt i forbifarten under universitetet på en-wiki, næppe et betydeligt hold, spilleren er 15-16 år), 3) USC Aikens fodboldhold (igen nævnt i forbifarten på en-wiki, spilleren er ca. 17 år), 4) Karlslunds IF og ikke mindst Örebro SK lyder da bestemt spændende, og kilden får det til at lyde som om, noget meget stort er lige på vej. Men det fuser jo ud, når han ender med at spille i Delta Örebro, som spiller i den svenske 5. division, 5) Svebølle er som bekendt en dansk klub i 2. division (tredjehøjeste niveau), hvor spilleren netop er kommet til, og for blot få uger siden vidste klubben endnu ikke, om han skulle spille på førsteholdet: [1]. Jeg kan på den baggrund ikke se, at der skulle være basis for en artikel - endnu. Vi skriver trods alt om etablerede fænomener, ikke noget der måske kommer til at blive til noget. --Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 21:14 (CEST)- @Dksport2015: Jeg er ked af at sige det, men jeg har så svært ved at forstå, hvad du skriver, at jeg ville foretrække, at du (her!) skrev på engelsk. --Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 21:19 (CEST)
- @Amjaabc: tak for din forklaring ---Zoizit (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 21:31 (CEST)
- Slet laver min stemme om Zoizit (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 21:31 (CEST)
- Kommentar - Kan vi ikke træffe en hurtig afgørelse, så vidt jeg kan se støtter ingen, ikke en gang artiklens opretter, at artiklens opretholdes. Kan ikke huske reglerne, men det virker som om at der er eninghed om at slette den.--Madglad (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 23:24 (CEST)
- Kommentar@Madglad: du læser forkert, det er fordi at artiklens opretter har stemt to gange, at den en er "slettet" ---Zoizit (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 23:31 (CEST)
- Kommentar@Zoizit:Ok, at den var "slettet" troede jeg var fordi at han havde trukket sin stemme tilbage.--Madglad (diskussion) 12. aug 2015, 23:59 (CEST)
- Nej, det gjorde jeg for ikke at forvirre - men det lykkedes åbenbart ikke at undgå forvirring :-) --Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 13. aug 2015, 00:09 (CEST)
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Like i mentioned earlier, there are many wikipidia pages that cover players from even lower levels then the Danish 2nd division League, and these players are not widely googled, or of sign of public interrest. For example, the USA - there are many players playing in the USL ( which is the third level of football in the USA), same level as the Danish 2nd division, yet these players have Wikipedia pages. The Danish League has higher standards, more competitive then the American football Leagues. And the manjority of these players have less sports coverages then this page. Another example is from my country, Scotland, as i mentioned, many players in the lower levels then Koffa have wiki pages. Here is an example ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mickael_Oliveira_Barroso and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharlton_Belmar) - these player has played in two levels even lower then the Danish 2nd division by footballing ratings, yet he has a page. Many more players are like that. I guess what i'm simply trying to say is this player has shown to be a player that people have been hugely interrested in (even at this Young age). Google proves that, and i think @Amjaabc|Arne made some interresting outlines pointing out the Development proceedings of the player, and even worst, players in the USL- PDL which is the American 4th level - are those League better then the Danish League or they should have it because it's America? here is an example ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_Buffington ) but i don't think we should delete the page at this point. After all, what points a player out as a notable sportsman? isn't public interrest a key factor? if so, given the standards of the Danish League over the African or American football Leagues, and the fact that this player has people following his Developments from around the World ( with thoursands of Google searches in his name), i think we should reconsider the page for keeping. Plus the page has credable sources backing every detail... Also, did you Guys know that many national teams consider the Danish 2nd division League as a League of higher standards so they call players from there on national roaster? I dont want to keep mentioning players, but Google the pakistian national team, Liberia national football team, Sierra leon National team, and so on. The majority of those players playing in the Danish 2nd division League or the same standard in sweden, USA or Finland are the ones being called up by thier national teams. Danish National team may not call players to the first team from the that level, why? because they believe it is a lower level but given the standards of football in those other countries, the Division 2 in denmark is a suitable level for their players abraod to start - so those players, once signed unto a team at the Danish 2 division or the same level or above in other countries in Europe, they become of public interrest in thier native coutries. And if i'm right, Wikipedia puts together all these reliable infomation for the public in one article and call it a player's page. Given all these facts, i fairly think that this player deserves a page to which could be imformative to those researching him or wanting to keep up with his career - because i dont think they will find compiled together all the information they need seperately then it would be that simple for them to get on Wikipedia. Thanks Fellows!
Dksport2015 (diskussion) 13. aug 2015, 16:23 (CEST)
- 'Kommentar - Min vigtigste begrundelse er ikke, at han spiller i en 2. divisionsklub, for jeg kan godt acceptere artikler om veletablerede, spillere fra dette niveau, men problemet er, at den unge mand endnu ikke har vist, at han hører til der. Det er meget muligt, at han snart viser sit værd, og så kan jeg selvfølgelig acceptere en artikel, men på nuværende grundlag, synes jeg ikke, der er basis for den. Når du henviser til andre sprogs wikipediaer, kan du ikke automatisk gå ud fra, at notabilitet har samme niveau som her. Det besluttes af det enkelte community. Men jeg medgiver, at vi har uklare grænser her, og det er netop derfor, jeg har taget diskussionen op. Jeg ville blot ønske, at lidt flere brugere ville deltage, så afgørelsen kan tages på en bredere baggrund. Mvh. Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 13. aug 2015, 17:38 (CEST)
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@Amjaabc|Arne (Amjaabc) I fully understand your point here, and it makes full sense! But i also did some searching, from what i can see here the player is a key player at Svebølle. According to the starts, he has started and played the full 90 minutes of all of the games for the Club since arriving there with the 1st team. Here are a few links, read the game sheet and starting players names : game 1. (http://fchnet.dk/?p=210 Against Helsingør) Game 2 (http://sn.dk/Lokalsport/Sveboelle-hentede-foraarets-foerste-sejr/artikel/492944 Against Herlev and here 1st team's stats:http://www.tablesleague.com/livescores/herlev1-sveblle1/ ) Game 3 ( http://www.1x2.dk/soccer/match/2015-06-07/sveboelle-hik) http://www.dbufyn.dk/turneringer_og_resultater/resultatsoegning/teamBookingPoint.aspx?teamid=109983&poolid=194712 http://betxpert.enetpulse.com/scoretable.php?team_filter=8251&table=1stgoalscorer&oFK=836220&ttFK=239&sportFK=1 and so on...if you search more on the starts online. I definitely understand you point, but Again i think at this point w should just go ahead and delete the page, the palayer is proving vital, and the fact that there are international searches online for developement with his career ( on Google), maybe you could reconsider and keep to page as it could be informative. At this age he is proving to establish himself solidly in a division 2 team, starting all the first 5 games at his new Club that proves Progress, i think. Also his i double checked and '72nd FC - which merged with powerful vision one of the player's former clubs in liberia is understood to be a professional team ( the play in the second highest league in liberia) Thanks Again, ScottyDksport2015 (diskussion) 14. aug 2015, 11:14 (CEST)!
- Kommentar Jeg fastholder at artiklen bør slettes hurtigst muligt, da det virker som et bevidst forsøg på at fremme en ikke-notabel person.--Madglad (diskussion) 14. aug 2015, 14:24 (CEST)
- Kommentar hey @Madlad can you please stop putting contents on the page unless you have enough evidence? Me defending this page has nothing to do with personal interest or connection with the player. It's like you sticking to your claims, does anyone question your reasons or indicate you have connections to the player or not? That's just childish. If you want the page deleted, state your reasons and be done. Let others comment don't ignore the facts and try to confuse people by creating a false claims of me being connected to the player or not. If you have personal questions email me...pastoralistarbegg@aol.com. But again, I only stated my reasons for the page to be kept, and i made edits. No need to be disrespectful towards me by saying stuffs you have no clue about. Being from Scotland or a new writer on Wikipedia does not mean I don't know the rules. Hope this helps. Thanks. Dksport2015 (diskussion) 15. aug 2015, 19:32 (CEST)
- Kommentar - I don't suspect you to be the player. But on the other hand, I am a little curious why you seem to have such an enormous interest in this particular player. After all, you have written about him, along with the passionate defence for the krepning of the article but hardly anything else (at least logged in). Do you have any other close relation to him? It would be good to know. Regards, Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 15. aug 2015, 23:57 (CEST)
- Kommentar Hi @Amjaabc thanks for your question, and clerity. No i do not. only saw him play against my team, BK Frem, and thought he was a very good player so i took up the time to google him but surprisingly saw he didn't have a wiki page, but had been googled a lot by mny others that what made me to contact a wikipedia administrator who helped me creat the article about the payer ( by walking me through how to do it ). As you can see im fairy new here, yet i have made many other edits to other articles on here recently apart from this one, but not more because im just a new contributor. Also, the defense shouldn't be termed passionate when it has facts and detailing reasons why it should be kept. Thanks again for your time!
Regrds Pastor Alistair Dksport2015 (diskussion) 16. aug 2015, 10:16 (CEST)
- Kommentar - Jeg var lige ved at vakle lidt i min anbefaling af sletning, men det er nu gået op for mig, at Svebølle ikke længere spiller i 2. division, men er rykket ned i Danmarksserien. Desuden er klubben ved at danne en overbygning med Kalundborg, der også er DS-klub (og i øvrigt er pointløs efter 2 kampe). Koffa spiller dermed endnu engang (som i tidligere klubber/skoler) ikke på noget ret højt niveau, og derfor er jeg mere overbevist om, at han på nuværende tidspunkt ikke er notabel. --Arne (Amjaabc) (diskussion) 17. aug 2015, 08:56 (CEST)
- Slet - Det ser ikke ud til, at notabiliteten er tilstrækkelig. Rmir2 (diskussion) 21. aug 2015, 09:22 (CEST)
- Slet - For dårligt skrevet, for få meritter og alt for få hits på google. Vi har rigeligt af den slags artikler om fodboldsspillere, som kun lige kan svinge sig på til en meget kort artikel, uden at de har bedrevet noget egentligt notabelt. Toxophilus (diskussion) 2. sep 2015, 08:36 (CEST)
- Slet - Jeg følger en del med i de danske foldboldturneringer, men har ikke hørt om personen. I forvejen har vi, efter min mening for lempelige kriterier for fodboldspillere. Denne sætning fra artiklen er ret betegnende for personens notabilitet:"Koffa havde en chance med Karlslunds IF og Örebro SK,[11] men en aftale blev ikke aftalt, så han begyndte at spille med svensk lavere løftestang klub". Det er vist ikke interessant for andre end personen selv samt hans familie og bekendte. --Savfisk (diskussion) 2. sep 2015, 19:27 (CEST)
- Slet - jeg har en aversion mod dåsedansk (til hvilken kategori jeg bestemt medregner denne artikel), da der ingenlunde kræves indsigt eller kompetence for at køre en tekst gennem Google Translate, hvorfor sådanne artikler ofte kræver betydelige ressourcer for blot at blive læselige. Dernæst er jeg ganske enig i ovenstående betragtninger om, at notabiliteten ikke er tilstrækkelig. "Behold"-stemmens argument om, at denne spiller er "widely monitored" er ikke godt nok; spilleren er stadig på et punkt, hvor han måske, måske ikke får en notabel karriere - og indtil han har etableret en sådan karriere er "måske" ikke godt nok. Jeg mener ikke, der er behov for denne artikel, med mindre der fremkommer vægtige oplysninger ud over, hvad der aktuelt præsenteres. Slet gerne. --Medic (Lindblad) (diskussion) 2. sep 2015, 21:27 (CEST)
 | Konklusion: Det virker som om, at det, der skulle siges, er blevet sagt. Der er opnået en klar konsensus om sletning – kun opretteren er imod. Artiklen slettes. --Cgt (diskussion) 4. sep 2015, 18:07 (CEST) |